Posts by Mad Dawg

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Feeling a bit alienated

by factfinder in

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i notice mostly everyone at jwn was a "born-in".

i actually chose to become a witness.

i was born and raised jewish but by the time i was 15 i had lost interest in judaism and stopped practicing it.

FF, as you read through people's stories here, you will find a wide variety of backgrounds. There is even a number of us that were never JW's. I came here as a result of a close relative joinings the JW's. What I found here sent chills down my spine as I compared it to my trip through the cult of Amway a decade earlier. This site has actually been important in my healing from those experiences. Each of us is unique with our own unique, yet common, experiences.

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587 B.C.E vs 607 B.C.E

by fade_away in

the latest oct. watchtower has an article that seems to be controversial amongst us "apostates.

" it's a long complicated article with tons of confusing names and dates, but in the end it sums it up and says:.

"to sum up: the bible clearly states that there was an exile of 70 years.

Mad Dawg

From a post I made on another thread:

From the article:

But if the evidence from the inspired Scriptures clearly points to 607 B.C.E. for Jerusalem’s destruction, why do many authorities hold to the date 587 B.C.E.?

For the past two years now, JW apologists have uniformly stated that the Bible "clearly" points to 607, and I have been asking them, "where?" They either: A - dodge the question, or B - give a long, convoluted explanation that clearly is not "clear".

Remember two things:

1 - There is not one single thing within the Bible that is pegged to some date B.C or A.D.

2 - As long as you hold their feet to the fire regarding where the Bible "clearly" gives a date (any date for that matter), you won't be dragged into discussing irrelevant kings lists or clay tablets.

If you can get them to state that they can prove the date using the Bible only, great! Whatever date they mention, ask them how they know it is that year. When they referrence a tablet or some such thing, remind them it is not the Bible and ask them why they have a Babylonish religion - which it must be if it all comes down to a Babylonian tablet upholding the Bible.

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Do you think US will solve the debt ceiling crisis by August 2?

by Iamallcool in

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Mad Dawg

First, if we are going to raise the debt limit every time we get close, why have one in the first place?

Second, we all know that if the limit is not raised, the Fed will simply put the money press operators on overtime.

Third, we may not like the Republican proposal, but the Dems have put ONE budget up for a vote in the past 800+ days - and that one was voted down in the Senate 97 - 0. Instead of whining and compaining, the Dems should lead. BTW, Sen Reid just obstructed his OWN bill in that he refused to allow a vote on it.

Fourth, we do not have a revenue problem. It is a spending problem. Everything needs to be on the table for cuts - That means EVERTHING.

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When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed? Why It Matters - What the Evidence Shows

by wannabefree in

obviously 607 is a problem, watchower coming out full forces on this one in the latest public edition.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/wp_e_20111001.pdf.

Mad Dawg

From the article:

But if the evidence from the inspired Scriptures clearly points to 607 B.C.E. for Jerusalem’s destruction, why do many authorities hold to the date 587 B.C.E.?

For the past two years now, JW apologists have uniformly stated that the Bible "clearly" points to 607, and I have been asking them, "where?" They either: A - dodge the question, or B - give a long, convoluted explanation that clearly is not "clear".

Remember two things:

1 - There is not one single thing within the Bible that is pegged to some date B.C or A.D.

2 - As long as you hold their feet to the fire regarding where the Bible "clearly" gives a date (any date for that matter), you won't be dragged into discussing irrelevant kings lists or clay tablets.

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This just in. The Charges are on the books in Australia here's the link.

by discreetslave in

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i just got this link on facebook.

http://www.magistratescourtvic.ozehosting.com.au/cgi-bin/mc_crim_list.pl?court=097&date=13092011.

Mad Dawg

What are they charged with?

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

Mad Dawg

DJ said in his post 375:

The Bible clearly does speak of 70 years of servitude to King Nebuchadnezzar, but Jewish servitude didn't begin until Nebuchadnezzar's seventh regnal year in 618 BC. (Jeremiah 25:11)

DJ said in his post 378:

Jeremiah 25:11 doesn't specifically say "Nebuchadnezzar," but refers to how the nations would "have to serve the king of Babylon" for 70 years.

DJ says one paragraph later in post 378:

This is what I should have written: "The Bible clearly does speak of 70 years of servitude to King Nebuchadnezzar, …"

Then in the next paragraph of post 378…

There is a tablet known as the "Nabunaid Chronicle" that gives the date for the fall of Babylon as being October 12/13, 539 BC…

I have some questions here:

Does the Bible speak clearly of the nations serving Nebby or not?

· If yes, please show it clearly. There is nothing clear about the walls of text you post.

Why are you referring to a Babylonian tablet to establish the date? You have said on other threads that you could establish the date using only the Bible.

If the authority of the GB rests on them being "chosen" in 1919, which depends on the "prophecy" of 1914, which in turn rests solely on a Babylonian tablet; then doesn't that mean that your entire religion rests on Babylonian writings - not the Bible?

Bear in mind that I don't question if Jeremiah's prophecy was fulfilled. I question if it were fulfilled in the manner that the GB says it was. Without the supposed "double fulfillment", which is not required by the text, then it doesn't matter if Jerusalem fell in 597, 617, or 627.

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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

Mad Dawg

DJ said:

The Bible clearly does speak of 70 years of servitude to King Nebuchadnezzar, but Jewish servitude didn't begin until Nebuchadnezzar's seventh regnal year in 618 BC. (Jeremiah 25:11)

Here is what the verse says:

Jer 25:11And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

I have some questions:

Where in the verse you provided does it say "Nebuchadnezzar"?

Do you realize that Nebby wasn't the only king of Babylon?

How do you know that Nebby's 7th regnal year was 618?

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Introducing Myself

by StandFirm in

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hello to jwn!

this is standfirm.

i mainly post on the topix jehovah's witness forum, but i decided to give it a try over here also.

Mad Dawg

Oh, boy! Stand Fast, I have had JW apologists claim that it can be easily proved from the Bible alone that Jerusalem fell in 607 - then they have refused to do so. I have been requesting this information for more than a year and a half. Please show me, using the Bible alone, that Jerusalem fell in 607. I really want to know.

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Was the Bible forged? Author claims some New Testament books were written by 'people pretending to be apostles'

by whereami in

was the bible forged?

author claims some new testament books were written by 'people pretending to be apostles'.

by daily mail reporter.